Last Change/Update: 15 November 1996 =================== A +++ before an entry indicates that the entry is new, or has been updated, or has changed, since the last Listing. A --- before an entry indicates that the _prior_ entry was removed from the list, since the last Listing. =================== This is the list of FTP sites containing software and programs specific to the Commodore 64 and 128 computers, and one Vic20 site, as well as one for the PET. When available URL addresses are also listed, for alternate access. I will try to keep this list as current and accurate as possible, so that it can be a useful resource for users of the newsgroup. PLEASE cooperate and send E-mail with any corrections and updates. If you uncover a site not listed, tell me so that it can be added. If a site has closed or no longer carries CBM software, let me know and it will be deleted. ===== To use this list on a UNIX system, just type 'ftp ', where is any of the Host or FTP sites listed below. Use 'anonymous' as your login, and your E-mail address for the password. Or, use the newer and easier, NcFTP. Type NcFTP . If you find yourself at the FTP> or NcFTP> prompts, type OPEN . You can change and list directories with 'cd' and 'dir', respectively, and download files to your system using 'get'. Be sure to specify either 'binary' if you are getting a program, or 'ascii' for a text file before you begin the download. ===== In addition to the sites listed below, which have CBM software, there are hundreds of other FTP sites on INet with interesting files covering most every other topic imaginable. Take some time to seek out and explore these other sites and their files too. Enjoy! ====== FTP: ccnga.uwaterloo.ca URL: http://ccnga.uwaterloo.ca/~csbruce/ Last updated: 01 Feb 1996 Directory: /pub/cbm Description: Major site for the latest C64, C65 and C128 software. csbruce@ccnga.uwaterloo.ca (Craig Bruce) maintainer of the site writes: I have rearranged the files at the new "ccnga.uwaterloo.ca" anonymous FTP site for Commodore computers. The new "/pub/cbm" directory breakdown for this site is as follows: archivers : archiving/dearchiving programs for the C128/64 audio : audio-related stuff for the C64 c65 : files related to the C65 computer comp.binari* : programs from the "comp.binaries.cbm" newsgroup comp.sys.cbm : important information gleaned from the "comp.sys.cbm" newsgroup demos : demo programs for the C64 emulation : programs for emulating the C64 on various platforms games : games for the C128/64 graphics : graphics stuff for the C128/64 hacking.mag : issues of C= Hacking net magazine and related programs hardware : text files about hardware projects misc : stuff that doesn't fit into any other directory os : stuff for various alternative operating systems for the C128/64 os/ace : stuff for the ACE operating system for the C128/64 os/cpm : stuff for the CP/M operating system for the C128/64 os/cs-dos : stuff for the CS-DOS operating system for the C128 os/geos : stuff for the GEOS operating system for the C128/64 os/asterix : Asterix Operating System, a Unix-like environment programming : programming ideas/code/stuff for the C128/64 telecomm : telecommunications software for the C128/64 unix : related utility C programs and Unix shell scripts util128 : utility programs for the C128 util64 : utility programs for the C64 vic-20 : VIC-20 programs INCOMING : directory to upload new programs into (use appropriate subdir) FTP: ftp.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) URL: http://www.funet.fi/pub/cbm/ Last updated: 15 May 1996 Directory: /pub/cbm Description: This is a major site for CBM software. Most files in /pub/cpm and pub/cbm/cpm run on the C128's CP/M. Following is a list of some of the directories: /pub/cbm/Archiving /pub/cbm/c=hacking /pub/cbm/c128 /pub/cbm/c64 /pub/cbm/c64/emulation /pub/cbm/c65 /pub/cbm/commerce /pub/cbm/csbruce /pub/cbm/documents /pub/cbm/faq /pub/cbm/firmware /pub/cbm/geos /pub/cbm/incoming /pub/cbm/maps /pub/cbm/pet /pub/cbm/plus4 /pub/cbm/programming /pub/cbm/transfer /pub/cbm/vic20 /pub/cbm/c64/demos/pal /pub/kermit/c64 /pub/amiga/audio/misc/sid-tunes /pub/cpm FTP: ftp.eskimo.com/u/v URL: ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/v/voyager/Novaterm Last updated: 15 Jun 1996 Directory: /voyager/Novaterm Description: The official support site for Novaterm 9.5. Directory: /voyager/Novaterm/Deutsche Description: A German translation of Novaterm 9.5. voyager@eskimo.com (Nick Rossi), Novaterm's author writes: >This site contains the most recent Novaterm version, archives, the >individual files, the documentation in both CBM and standard ASCII, and >any other information, news, new modules, or bug fixes that come along. FTP: ftp.Uni-Koeln.DE or: ftp.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (134.95.100.202) URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Mar 1995 Directory: /usenet/comp.archives/auto/comp.sys.cbm Description: FTP: nexus.yorku.ca (130.63.9.66) URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Mar 1995 Directory: /pub/Internet-info Description: Contains an older version of this listing. FTP: oak.oakland.edu URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 01 Apr 1995 Directory: /pub/cpm /pub2/cpm Description: CP/M software, most all of which will run on the C128. See C128 and other branching directories for 1,000's of files. FTP: src.doc.ic.ac.uk (146.169.2.1) URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 01 Apr 1995 Directory: /usenet/comp.archives/auto/comp.sys.cbm Description: Some files of interest. FTP: wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4) URL: http://wuarchive.wustl.edu Last updated: 01 Feb 1996 Directory: /systems/amiga/incoming/misc /systems/cpm/c128 /systems/cpm/c64 Description: CP/M software, most all of which will run on the C128. Be sure to check the other directory locations too. FTP: ftp.demon.co.uk URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last update: 01 Apr 1995 Directory: /pub/cpm Description: CP/M and various system files. Also available by email from mail-server@nowster.demon.co.uk FTP: ftp.inf.bme.hu URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 01 Oct 1995 Directory: /pub/cbm/ /pub/cbm/c64/ /pub/cbm/coding/ /pub/cbm/demos/ /pub/cbm/emulation/ /pub/cbm/games/ /pub/cbm/incoming/ /pub/cbm/musics/ /pub/cbm/utility/ /pub/cbm/plus4/ /pub/cbm/delta.system/ Description: Demoscene-oriented, a lot of demos and related files FTP: watsun.cc.columbia.edu (128.59.39.2) URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 05 May 1994 Directory: /kermit2/old/c64 /kermit/bin Description: check /kermit/c for latest FTP: ftp.cs.columbia.edu URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 01 Jul 1996 Directory: /archives/mirror1/kermit/ Description: The official Kermit support site containing the latest C64 Kermit and support files. 80 columns C64 and C128. FTP: flubber.cs.umd.edu (128.8.128.99) URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 05 Nov 1996 Directory: /rec/Programs/generic Description: Ballistic programs and source code. Read the READ.ME file in the /generic directory with the MORE command. FTP: nic.switch.ch (130.59.1.40) URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Mar 1995 Directory: /mirror/kermit/bin Description: FTP: ftp.gmd.de URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 03 Jun 1994 Directory: /if-archive/games/c64 Description: Contains a few PD text adventures. FTP: syrinx.umd.edu (128.8.2.114) URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 05 May 1994 Directory: /rush/systems/c64 Description: FTP: x2ftp.oulu.fi (130.231.48.141) URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 01 Feb 1995 Directory: /pub/cbm Description: This site supports ONLY technical documents, references and specifications for CBM 8-bit programming. (For example, memory maps.) No binaries allowed. Directory: /pub/cross Description: Miscellaneous cross-assemblers. FTP: ftp.ucsd.edu (128.54.16.1) URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 May 1996 Directory: /midi/software/c64 Description: Information on MIDI for the C64. FTP: cs.dal.ca (129.173.4.5) URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 01 Apr 1994 Directory: /comp.archives/c64 /pub/comp.archives/comp.sys.cbm Description: C128 files, GIF's, and terminals. FTP: ftp.hrz.uni-kassel.de URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 03 Feb 1994 Directory: /pub/machines/vic-20 Description: A Vic-20 ftp site, administered by Andreas Heitmann heitmann@crunch.ikp.physik.th-darmstadt.de FTP: rtfm.mit.edu URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 24 May 1995 Directory: /pub/usenet-by-group/comp.sys.cbm/main-faq Description: A place for the latest release of The COMP.SYS.CBM FAQ FTP: frodo.hiof.no URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 18 Jul 1995 Directory: /pub/c64 Description: --- FTP: ftp.rz.uni-hildesheim.de (147.172.16.34) URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 18 Oct 1994 Directory: /pub/c64/ Description: The directory oldcbm.pics contains scanned PET and other 8-bit Commodore Machine pictures. (54 at the moment) Each picture is about 200Kb in size. All in JPEG format. FTP: ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Mar 1995 Directory: /pub/c64 Description: Site for c64 software. +++ FTP: ftp.giga.or.at URL: http://www.giga.or.at/pub/c64/ Last updated: 15 Nov 1996 Directory: /pub/c64 Description: This site has demos from about 165 demo groups (50+ MB) a lot of GEOS shareware and freeware, many C64 and C128 tools, emulators for most platforms, transfer tools, diskmags, and more. Official Vandalism News and Domination release site. More than 110 MB on-line. The directory tree is: INCOMING/ : Directory for incoming stuff archive/ : C64 archivating tools demos/ : PAL Demos sorted by corresponding groups groups/ diskmags/ : Diskmags sorted by mag-names different_mags/ emulators/ : C64 emulators for different platforms amiga/ macintosh/ msdos/ st/ unix/ geos/ geos128/ archive/ : Archivating tools demos/ : GEOS 128 Demos desktop/ : Alternative desktops and accessories games/ : Games for GEOS 128 graphics/ : Graphical tools for GEOS 128 misc/ : Miscellaneous stuff modem/ : Telecommunication tools printer/ : Printer tools and drivers screen/ : Additional tools like screensavers text/ : Tools for wordprocessors under GEOS geos64/ archive/ : Archivating tools desktop/ : Alternative desktops and accessories developer/ : GEOS programming languages and tools disk/ : Disk tools games/ : Games for GEOS 64 graphics/ : Graphical tools for GEOS 64 misc/ : Miscellaneous stuff modem/ : Telecommunication tools printer/ : Printer tools and drivers sid/ : Tools for the audio abilities under GEOS text/ : Tools for wordprocessors under GEOS geos_lq_fonts/ : Fonts for GEOS LQ (Perfect Print - GEOS) library/ : Interesting articles for the C64 & C128 misc/ : Miscellaneous stuff nostalgia/ : Introduction demos from the early 80'ies c128/ c64/ operating_systems/ : Various alternative operating systems ace/ : Advanced Computer Enviroment (Unix like) lunix/ : LUnix - Little Unix party/ : Party demos/musics/graphics and results several_parties/ sid/ : Tunes colletions, music tools and editors supercpu/ : Directory for CMD's SuperCPU tools/ : Various C64/C128 related tools amiga/ pic_conversion/ : Picture conversion from Amiga to C64 c128/ disk/ : Disk tools for the C128 games/ : Games for the C128 (freeware only) graphics/ : Graphical development tools for the C128 misc/ : Miscellaneous stuff modem/ : Telecommunication tools scsi/ : SCSI tools (CMD HD required!) text/ : Editors c64/ assembler/ : C64 assemblers cartridge/ : Tools for common cartridges conversion/ : Convert different formats from/to C64 disk/ : Disk tools for the C64 games/ : Games for the C64 (freeware only) graphics/ : Graphical development tools for the C64 misc/ : Miscellaneous stuff modem/ : Telecommunication tools music/ : Tools for the SID note_maker/ : Various note makers for the C64 packer/ : Various packer and cruncher scene/ : Scene related tools text/ : Editors msdos/ 64net/ : 64net shareware version ascii_conversion/: Conversion from C64 to ASCII under MS-DOS c-compiler/ : C-Compiler to develop C64 software crossassember/ : Crossassembler for PC and C64 geos_conversion/: Conversion to GEOS formats under MS-DOS pic_conversion/ : Conversion to C64 formats under MS-DOS unix/ pic_conversion/ Conversion to C64 formats under Unix transfer/ : Transfer tools: C64 <=> other platforms 1541-pc/ amiga-c64/ pc-c64/ FTP: ftp.armory.com URL: ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/spectre/ ... (directory) Last updated: 01 Nov 1996 Directory: /pub/user/spectre/ Description: A site, with lots of new .lnx format games and new CWI programs, from Computer Workshops, a little SW group. There are also utilities, decoders, games, and lots more. The directory tree is: CWI-C64/ : Commodore 64 shareware and freeware releases, in .lnx format; includes Lynx CWI-MSDOS/ : MSDOS & Windows shareware & freeware in .zip format D64-FORMAT/ : .D64 & .T64 games for C64S, X64 & PC64 (with conversion to .p00), in .zip format P00-FORMAT/ : .p00 files; STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT "WE WOULD LOVE YOU TO UPLOAD WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT!" Put them in the incoming/ directory! EMUL-UTIL/ MS-DOS emulation utilities, viewers for 64 files, .D64 to GCR converters (Trans64, 64cpy212), etc. NEW: Joe Forster's Star Commander 0.73 is now here! GAMES-C64/ : Commodore 64 games, in .lnx format UTIL-C64/ : C64 utilities, interfaces and management programs ETC-C64/ : Various other C64 utilities UNIX/ : Unix utilities TEXT-ARCHIVE/ : Text files of interest, usually in .gz format The latest copy of the 64 FTP sites list, too. ** WE NO LONGER CARRY THE COMP.SYS.CBM FAQ OR THE LATEST C= HACKING: SORRY! ** incoming/ : Your uploads are welcomed here FTP: ftp.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Oct 1995 Directory: /pub/cbm/pet Description: A major site for PET programs and software, etc. Be sure to read the 00README file (in the pet directory) for a clear explanation of what the different files contain. Files contributed by Olaf Seibert . FTP: ftp.indirect.com URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Aug 1996 Directory: /www/dynamite /www/dynamite/mods Description: Contains the files necessary for operation of Color 64 BBS (/dynamite directory) and many of its mod files (/dynamite/mods directory). No uploads allowed. FTP: hal9000.net.au URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Oct 1996 Directory: /pub/cbm/INCOMING /pub/cbm/browser /pub/cbm/desterm /pub/cbm/graphics /pub/cbm/novaterm9.5 /pub/cbm/qwkie /pub/cbm/qwkrr /pub/cbm/terms /pub/cbm/unarc_unzip /pub/cbm/utils /pub/cbm/info-txt Description: Site covering the basics of telecommunications for the C64 and C128. Support site for Rod Gasson's QWKRR128 and Browser programs. `info-txt' directory has QWK and mail related text files for programmers/developers. Site maintained by Gaelyne Gasson (moranec@hal9000.net.au). FTP: ftp.channel1.com URL: http://www.channel1.com/users/amazon/ Last updated: 01 Mar 1996 Directory: /pub/users/amazon/cbm/64 /pub/users/amazon/cbm/128 /pub/users/amazon/cbm/geos /pub/users/amazon/cbm/emulation /pub/users/amazon/upload Description: A new site with games, and some Christmas Demo's and other software. Much of the softwre is in SFX (self extracting) files, for the user's convenience. Uploads can be placed in the upload directory. FTP: utopia.hacktic.nl URL: ftp://replay.com/pub/c64 Last updated: 15 Jun 1996 Directory: /pub/c64 Description: The Digital Dungeon Site for C64 demos. FTP: rsls6.sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de or: rsls4.sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 01 Mar 1996 Directory: /pub/c64/ Description: This site contains technical documents, tools, and demos. No games. Uploads welcomed. The directory tree is: INCOMING/ : all incoming stuff emulation/ : emulators (x64, pc64win etc.) misc/ : stuff which doesn't fit in the other categories programming/ : programming-related stuff (assemblers, c, etc.) demos/ : demos graphics/ : graphics music/ : music tools/ : all kinds of tools (archivers,packers,noters etc.) doc/ : documentation about everything magazines/ : C=Hacking, disk magazines and disk books os/ : place for alternative os's. At the moment only lunix transfer/ : utilities to transfer between computer systems FTP: ftp.vgernet.net URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Jun 1996 Directory: /pub/mpython/cbm Description: A new site for Digital Sound, NTSC Demos, emphasis on anything digitized for the C64/128, and Driven magazine. The directory tree is: /Demos/NTSC/Co-op : Demos made by more than 1 group. /Groups : Individual Groups demos. /NTSC_Fixed : PAL demos fixed to run on NTSC 64s /Older : Classic demos. /Recent : NTSC/FIXed demos released the past 10 months /Solo : Demos done by individuals Demos/PAL : PAL demos, not many. Some will run on NTSC 64s. Digidemos/NTSC-PAL : Demos containing digitized sounds/music. Will run on NTSC 64's. May be slowdown or flicker. Magazines/C_Hacking : Commodore Hacking magazine. /Discovery : DisC=overy magazine. /Driven : Driven NTSC Demo magazine. New_Samples/ : Raw files recently uploaded. Raw_Files/ XXXXX : Many directories here. Each XXXXX directory is a topic as to the kind of raw file it is: beavis-butthead, cartoons, movies, games, monty-python, music, people, silly, sound-effects, sex-sounds, star-trek, tvshows, tvthemes. All files require a player, found below. Raw_Players/c64 : Digi players for 64 /c128 : Digi players for 128 SIDS/ : Large colletion of SID .mus, .str and .wds files. /Classical : Classical .mus, .str and .wds /Jazz : Jazz and Ragtime. /Misc_SIDS_1 : All different types of SIDS, pop, classical, more. /Misc_SIDS_2 : All different types of SIDS, pop, classical, more. /Mono : Contains just .mus files, all types. /Players : 64 players for .mus, .str, .wds, .ani & .pic files. /SID_Packs : Archives of SID music, sfx, sda, lnx and more. /Sing_Along_1 : Contains .mus and .wds files, all types of music. /Sing_Along_2 : Contains more .mus & .wds files, all type of music. /Stereo_1 : Stereo SIDS for those of you with extra SID chips. /Stereo_2 : More Stereo SIDS. These will play fine as mono. Utilities/C65 : Demo disks planned for release with the C65. /CS-DOS : CS-DOS OS for the 128. /Digi_Tools : Tools for ripping/editing digitized samples. /Music : Players/editors for various music files. /Telecom/C64 : Term programs for the 64. /C128: Term programs for the 128. FTP: ftp.df.lth.se URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 01 Apr 1996 Directory: /pub/c64 Description: A new site maintained by TRIAD, electronic punks of Sweden, for distribution of TRIAD software. Due to space limitations, no uploads allowed. FTP: ftp.eskimo.com/u/t/tpinfo/C64 URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Jun 1996 Directory: /tpinfo/C64 Description: Major online resource for NTSC demos, magazines, and utilities. 12mb of files online, and growing. +++ FTP: URL: http://www.herne.com/cpm.htm Last updated: 15 Nov 1996 Directory: Description: Mike Garamszeghy has released Herne Data's commercial C128 CP/M programs as freeware, at his WWW site. Included is Jugg'ler 128, which will read/write more than 140 types of CP/M disks, Scramb'ler 128, a disk encryption system, and, C-128 CP/M Hacker's Toolkit, a group of several highly useful CP/M tools, including SPORT.COM which allows owners of CMD HD's, RAMLink's, and FD series drives to change partitions and directories from within CP/M. Also, technical info on C128 CP/M and disk drives, mainly for the programmer. As a long time user of many of these programs, it is impossible to overstate how useful, reliable, and powerful this software actually is. Anyone using the C128's CP/M side should not be without. This site is available only as a WWW page. C128 users can access this site by running LYNX from their ISP's (Internet Service Provider) shell account. FTP: dhp.com URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Oct 1996 Directory: /pub/c64 Description: Temporarily down. FTP: ftp.inf.bme.hu URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Oct 1996 Directory: /pub/c64 Description: Demos, magazines, tools, etc. FTP: arnold.hiof.no URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Oct 1996 Directory: /games/ Description: Major site for Commodore games. Most files are in *.zip format. FTP: replay.com URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Oct 1996 Directory: /pub/c64 Description: Demos, magazines, tools, etc. FTP: seattlelab.com URL: ftp:// ... (site name) / ... (directory) Last updated: 15 Oct 1996 Directory: /C64S Description: Most files are ms-dos self-dissolving executables (300k+) or *.zip's. Apparantly these are for the Commodore ms-dos emulator. Emulator files can be converted to run on the C64. See John Iannetta's C64 utility program on CompuServe. ============== NOTES: ====== The latest version of The Commodore FTP Sites Listing (this list) can be found in the Usenet newsgroup, comp.sys.cbm, where it is posted twice monthly, generally at the beginning, and middle of each month. ====== Software and programs specific to the Commodore 64 and 128 computers can also be found, along with other information, on many www sites maintained by Commodore enthusiasts. An excellent starting point is the Commodore WWW Links Meta-Index Engine "CaBooM!" maintained by Jim Brain, and accessible at http://www.msen.com/~brain/cbmlinks/ CaBooM! provides links to most all Commodore www sites. C64 and C128 users can access this site by running LYNX on their Internet Service Provider (ISP), host computer. For detailed instructions, on LYNX, type at the Unix $ prompt, MAN LYNX ====== For FTP sites where you will find C64 and/or Vic-20 emulators that run on Amiga, and/or IBMPC, Atari-ST, or Unix/X, please see The CBM Emulation FAQ maintained by Kevin Gifford (kgifford@netaxs.com) and posted to the newsgroup, comp.emulators.cbm. That FAQ listing can also be found on ftp.csv.warwick.ac.uk, in directory: /tmp/c64, and other places, as well. ================================ Send all info regarding changes/additions/corrections to: hlh@panix.com (Please do NOT reply to the FROM address) ================================ Honorary mention and kudos to the following who have helped to keep your list current: ================== Adam Lorentzon................. d93-alo@nada.kth.se Bruce R. McFarling............. ecbm@cc.newcastle.edu.au Tim Phelps..................... ar249@lafn.org Cameron Kaiser................. ckaiser@ucsd.edu Richard T. Cunningham.......... 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